[SEARCH SHOP CHANGE] Pricing of the shop search

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  • Do you want to change the sorting of the price into a randomic one? 99

    1. No, keep it as it, with the cheapest price on top (61) 62%
    2. Yes, prices should be listed randomly (38) 38%

    This poll is to decide if the majority of the players wants to change the current sorting of the price. No flames and only constructive criticism.


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  • In my opinion, the system should be left as it is, because it is so in real life from the point of view of the state and global economy, + there must be differences between a person who farms 12 hours and another person who only farms 2 hours.


    however, most players who complain about the shop are beginners because they want to sell quickly and this automatically damages their market by successive price drops, but so it is in real life ... they can not understand because they are incapable, he believes that their opinion really matters.

  • think it's fine as is will be a hassle to search through that randomly and on top of it, considering certain searches have 400+ entries and how gimmicky the scroll bar gets with big number of entries i definitely dont want this changed since it would be a pain to browse through all that


    the only change related to the sorting i would consider would be when multiple people enter the same value for an item, the same valued items would be ordered by shopbox time left while maintaining the ascending order

  • ... and how gimmicky the scroll bar gets with big number of entriesox time left while maintaining the ascending order...

    Any chance you could change the scroll speed when using scroll wheel? The only way to finely scroll through the search atm is by dragging the cursor.

  • well, in real life u won't search in 100 shops to get a bottle of watter with 10 cents cheaper because u don't have a list that shows u the cheapest thing on market, right`? That's the main problem with the actual shop system, u give people the opportunity to choose if they wanna be the first on market or not, since everyone gonna choose to be the first at the moment they make the shop the prices are gonna drop constantly and this only benefit people that can spend most of their time playing and changing their shop's price or people that already can afford not selling stuff for a longer period of time. For us, as beginners that can't play a lot it's pretty bad and unpleasent when u can't sell somethnig for 3-4 days. The REAL best solution to this matter woukd be if everyone would be a respectful human being and not purposely reduce the price by 70%. I don't really see the problem with 1., 10 yang cut, even tho is annoying, at least the prices are constant, BUT there are people like Apolo who reduce and ruin the market intentionally just because they hate some people and wanna ruin their's business. I do not consider it's ok to do it out of spite. If i already wrote a lot, i would like to continue with some ideas of a potential changed shop system, if the staff and community like it better than a list with random prices. Let's keep it simple, u still have the search shop but it only shows u the shops that contains the respective item. This way, people who can afford ain't gonna look through 200 shops to buy the cheapest item, but would go for something with the average price so the market stays constant. If u are keeping it this way, u will have the option to search 30 minutes for a 50k cheaper item, or just dont waste time and buy at an average price and it's working good for both beginners and poeple who played a long time. Remember guys, changes are good and thank you for reading all this.

  • 1-Do you even live in real life? Do you even buy things online? You can't tell me you dont go to amazon and don't sort by cheaper prices??


    2- 3 or 4 days are nothing , if you want to sell fast then sell below market value , you want to sell fast but you dont wan't to reduce the price you have in your head because your price is the price at things should be sold , you are the person who dictates how much things are worth?


    3- If people reduce prices by 70% then buy it and sell it higher, it's basic economics ....


    4- What Apolo did is not ruin the market , if he farmed 2000 of an item then that item has a surplus of offer , so naturally the price is going to go down, the market is not ruined it's basic economics again ...


    5- Changes are not always good , thoughtfull and smart changes are good, now random ideas with no thought behind are just ... , this shouldnt even be being discussed

  • I think we don't have to discuss real-life situations based on metin2

    Random price listings will definitely help with people trying to push the prices down to a minimum

    On the other Hand

    The current listing helps to save some time and clarifies the current market situation

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  • It's not a point of real-life situations or game, it's simply a market with supply and demand, so a economic model can be applied, microeconmics and macroeconomics are based on theoric situations and can be applied to any situation be it real life or a game. Go ask any person with basic economic knowleged if a random market is a good idea, do it , every one of them is going to laugh in your face

  • Well, real-life markets, are pretty random -> since you have different ways to approach the market and it's prices

    Virtually
    - online sales platforms with strong price differences
    where people push each other's prices down in real-time
    - online sales platforms with fixed prices

    - online wholesale

    Real-Life
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    You get the point

    Either way, I'd say that that the current listing-system is fine

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  • To be honest it was like this, with random order not cheapest, or at least I remember something like that. Now, people found it boring to scroll everything to find which price would fit their pocket the most.


    However, who doesn't check shops still around town just for the fun? I'm not saying it won't be a headache, mostly cuz of the scrolling, which shadow mentioned he could make it work more smooth.


    With this said, I like the idea of getting some "oldschool shopping", just the thought of spending some minutes looking through it makes it more interesting.

  • To be honest it was like this, with random order not cheapest, or at least I remember something like that. Now, people found it boring to scroll everything to find which price would fit their pocket the most.


    However, who doesn't check shops still around town just for the fun? I'm not saying it won't be a headache, mostly cuz of the scrolling, which shadow mentioned he could make it work more smooth.


    With this said, I like the idea of getting some "oldschool shopping", just the thought of spending some minutes looking through it makes it more interesting.

    Also a great perspective, i like the idea.

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  • The listing order has barely anything to do with how fast you sell an item.

    It's really all supply and demand. If the demand is high enough both you and the guy that listed 1 gold lower than you will sell it.. If there is enough demand, prices will just bounce back immediately.

  • I don't understand the issue around here :D

    every single mmo i've played has a shop search system similar to this one and everything works fine :D

    the issue in the shop system lies more in people being impatient and not taking their time to analyze it


    here's an example of really bad practice by players who use the shop that i see happening all the time:

    player1 has x1 changer for sale at 600k

    player2 has 10x changer for sale at 10kk

    both player1 and player2 have the cheapest item for sale in the amount they're selling for

    player3 comes by, sees x1 for 600k and puts x10 for sale at 5.9kk

    and creates a drop in the item value simply because he didn't spend 5 seconds scrolling down to check the price of the x10


    this instantly causes a needless drop in value mostly because more players will come along and more for sale even lower than player3 price for a few days and everyone will complain about it


    meanwhile, 3 days later player2 10kk item stack sells


    imo, people need to calm down with the 'must sell fast' ideal and have the patience to properly look through the market

  • ShopSearch was always sorted by pricing since SG2 Global.


    The wheel can be slowed down so that it doesn't skip miles of products.

    Well, either I'm confusing and you just corrected or it happened to have random prices at any point by any circumstance.


    However, I'm not even worried about if an item sells fast or not, that's not why I commented. I'm just saying that it would be cool to have such feature, if much mirroring not only weapons armors polys, but also the icon of for ex a dss you added to the shop box.


  • Prices differentiate, this has ofc something to do with people not respecting the current prices, but also with people thinking of their own prices and/or so-called time differences, just because someone is comfortable with setting up his shop to stay there for a month, it doesn't mean that everyone uses the shop-system like that, there are more than enough people having a real-time price battle, and it's perfectly fine.

    Besides that, everyone is calmed down, we are just discussing whether it makes sense to change system or not

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  • To be honest it was like this, with random order not cheapest, or at least I remember something like that. Now, people found it boring to scroll everything to find which price would fit their pocket the most.


    However, who doesn't check shops still around town just for the fun? I'm not saying it won't be a headache, mostly cuz of the scrolling, which shadow mentioned he could make it work more smooth.


    With this said, I like the idea of getting some "oldschool shopping", just the thought of spending some minutes looking through it makes it more interesting.

    Correcting my words, I've just checked the patch note from 12/05/2020. What happened before was the following issue:

    • Shop search will now take into consideration of the won formula and order the price accordingly.

    Now that would be a bogus and some people would get tricked into that, because you'd have to take x time to double check what you were buying, that's why people found it "boring" the system wouldn't recognize such difference between amounts won/gold.


    But like I said, I enjoy the fact of checking shops around town, just like getting weekly magazines at home for what will be available at the supermarket for the following week.


    My comments in this thread are solely about that, which is my most relatable preferences, old school vibes. Either way I won't care much, my opinion is stated.


    I voted on the poll, thank you.

  • You see, brother, in real life it's about real money. You can't compare that to a metin2 market. Suplpy and demand it's an important aspect, of course, but it isn't the dominant factor because things would still be purchased at a somewhat average price either way, but impatient people reduce the price before even trying to keep it same as others since u give them this option. As i said abose, im a relatively new player, that means i can't buy cheap stuff and sell it higher constantly since i can't afford it. It's basic economic untill the human factor kicks in, u can't compare Amazon with a shop search in metin2 because in real life the prices changes accordingly with the quality and many factors as human labor, transport, taxes and everything. You keep behaving like a economic master, but u fail to look at every aspect of it. Let's take a simple exemple, Exorcism Scroll. They would be around, what, 1-1.5kk let's say because since i started playing that was more or less an average price. If we have 10 people selling it at 1kk per piece, 10 people selling 10x at 8kk and then we have 20 people after them selling at 999.999 or 10x at 7.999.999, those guys who had it at 8kk are gonna reduce as well, and this go on untill a price loses it's values even tho people would still buy it at 1kk because people are impacient and u give them an easy way out with this shop system. You said before that maybe we are selling it too expensive, well it's not really like that, we sell at the price it had in that exact moment, before 20 people decided to reduce the price by 1 yang each or even more, but if everyone keep doing that, where will it get?Maybe the prices stayed constant but those people who couldn't because of time to reduce the price by 1 yang sold nothing, maybe they can't connect every few hours to check. Maybe this shop system worked before when less players were playing, but because there are many new players that wanna make fast money, the prices are decreasing every hour, if u don't play alot to change your shop's price, u simply sell nothing. And u mentioned the Apollo problem, man, that it's a different thing. We said before, if someone have an enormous quantity it's understandable to do it, but this guy just does it to provoke us, even message people and mocking them about it and saying hahaa ur not gonna sell aynthing, we are talking ONLY about doing it ouf of spite, don't try to change my words.