Lv 75 weapons and their attack value: Poison sword overpowered?

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  • Hello community, i bring today a really nice question. Why the Poison sword (lv75) at +9 has more atack value than the Grudge (lv75)? Let me show you, an image says more than 1.000 words! :


    Poison sword
    [img=https://k60.kn3.net/4/9/C/0/9/2/8A5.png]


    Grudge
    [img=https://k60.kn3.net/3/1/9/5/1/5/611.png]


    Source:


    You may be asking to yourself: why so much drama? It's not drama, let me explain:
    if you follow the damage logic in the game, the bows are first, 2 handed weapons are the next, swords and bells and so on...
    You can notice this when you reach level 30 and can taste the sweetness of average and skill damage on level 30 weapons. With this weapons, you easily see the superiority on damage between Red Iron Blades and Full Moon Swords. Let me show you here with more images:


    Red Iron Blade
    [img=https://k60.kn3.net/9/3/9/6/6/D/A6D.png]


    Full Moon Sword
    [img=https://k60.kn3.net/B/C/2/7/B/C/F23.png]



    Source:



    Finishing this post, i would like to write about 'fairness'.
    In the world of fast opinions, in these years a lot of players claimed about this topic that there is norhing to discuss because all depends on the 'atack speed animation' of the weapon above the horse. Others may say that adding a dmg buff to the Grudge will put the Body Warrior overpowered as the Mirage/Weapon sura. In my humble opinion, i think that the lv 75 weapons were part of an obsolete system implemented when the game was created, when the epic weapon system didn't exist at all and the people used the lv 75 weapons for pvp, just like always happend after lv 30 with the weapons of this level. In the game, i am a Mental Warrior lv 80+ and i never feeled so weak in my life at PvM-farming-etc. But if i reach the last level of the game i will die at peace. If i want to achieve that i need to clarify a lot of doubts like this.



    Have a nice day.


  • Because the game was never balanced to begin with, i doubt the developers of this game took into consideration that a greatsword should be better in terms of damage than a sword.


    Anyway the game's monsters has more resistance to swords compared to 2hand, so even if the attack is lower, the damage output against certain boss or monster will be greater by using the grudge.

  • a 34 avg posion and grudge, posion with +5 monster and grudge with +6, have almost the same damage. This makes grudge kinda useless. What about, increasing it's attack power?

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    Anyway the game's monsters has more resistance to swords compared to 2hand, so even if the attack is lower, the damage output against certain boss or monster will be greater by using the grudge.


    This is why we should not change anything.


    The grudge is also the second widest weapon on the game, while the poison is one of the shortest, exping on horse with the grudge is more effective compared to the sword.

  • This is why we should not change anything.


    The grudge is also the second widest weapon on the game, while the poison is one of the shortest, exping on horse with the grudge is more effective compared to the sword.


    Don't you think too that the lv 75 weapons were part of an obsolete PvP system created a long time ago when the epic weapons didn't exist yet and that's why the dmg of Grudge at +9 has less value than the Poison Sword?

  • The epics were part of the original development plan. They were released later just for marketing strategy, but everything before the Dark Dragons was made by the original team of Metin2 under Ymir.


    But even if you were right, it wouldn't be logic as well to have a 2hand for pvp with less attack power than a sword.


    The biggest failure on the 75 is not the grudge, you may agree with me or not, but the lenght and the resistance of certain mobs are facts, while the Lion Sword has no purpose.


    The upgrade rate is the same, the upgrade items are not common since it requires pearls, but the attack power is super low. The solution to make this weapon useful is to make the poison sword Warrior / Assassin only, so that the Sura must use this weapon.


    But we are 6 years too far for this change.

  • The unique solution right now would be having two PvM weapons (warriors case) and test it against bosses assuming that they have defense against weapons, right?

  • or giving an advantage to lion so people use it more?

    By experience, unless the lion becomes much better than a poison nobody would still care. Why should you invest time or money or gold on a weapon that only 1 class can use and that is not much better than a poison which can be used by 3 classes?



    The unique solution right now would be having two PvM weapons (warriors case) and test it against bosses assuming that they have defense against weapons, right?

    Same average, same target to test on and you will see which one deal more damage. But if a player farms on horseback, the grudge is more useful despite the drawback of having a bit less damage output.

  • Yes but posion swords are used in most -if not al- cases by suras and warriors,so giving an advantage to lion maybe would make some people change their view on that weapon. It's sad that a lion with 45 avg has still lower damage than a ps with about 30-35 avg

  • 2hands normally attack faster from horse. For RIB vs. FMS: RIB does 6 hits while FMS does 5 hits in same time. If the difference between 2hand/1hand on lvl 75 is comparable, the 2hand is still more powerful. And another +:
    The difference is only at +9. PS+6 does less damage than 2hand+6, continues to +8 I think.


    Yes, different weapons have less usage because average damage rules the maximum deals of damage. On DE I use a Lion with 46avg 12dex 8str, does a little less than PS 42avg (both+9).
    Dont know how its here, but on DE I bought that LS for 1kkk while I had to pay 4kkk for the PS.


    But who says that LS has to compete with PS? Much cheaper for a little less damage that makes you down a Metin 15seconds less fast.